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Debating is bad for MY health.

August 23, 2009

Well, the argument rages on, and its getting old. No one on the other side is LISTENING and I am tired of the constant barrage of ignorant comments like the fact that I don’t want National Healthcare means I am in some way a sadistic heartless meanie head who wants everyone to die if they’re not rich. Its PRECISELY the OPPOSITE! But they keep on saying it….along with the same tired buzzwords trying to make me seem like a bad person, or morally corrupt.

I have a few liberal people in my twitter stream that although they are mean to conservatives in general are nice enough to me personally. I am going to go over a few of the tweets between me and one of my liberal followers. Normally I would call him out…but since he is a good guy…just wrong…I will not. I am tired of the same old points and how they don’t make sense and no good debate is held in 140 characters or less, so I will take his tweets and answer them in depth. Now when someone says the same things tomorrow…my responses will be complete and finite.

This all began because he said “The GOP dont give a damn about anyone but themselves..The De-Facto Segregation of Health Care” and “RT If Right-Wingers Get Their Way, 22,000 Americans Will Continue 2 B Killed by Lack of Health Care Each Yr” and “RT inside Story on Town Hall Riots: Right-Wing Shock Troops Do Corporate America’s Dirty Work”. I was sick of seeing it so I said a few things back and thus begun yet another debate:

LIBERAL POINT #1: more than that will die with no healthcare. That is a fact. If they don’t come to SOME kind of compromise… (this was in response to me saying thousands die on waiting lists in countries with Nationalized systems)

Ok, if I put metal in a microwave for 10 minutes it is a fact that it will be bad. It is a fact because I can prove it based on the research of me doing it prior. Facts can be proven or disproven on research. We have never had a national healthcare option before. You have NO EARTHLY CLUE how many people will die on waiting lists for care, for a primary care doctor, for tests, for medicine, for diagnosis, for the money to pay a private care doctor if the government refuses to pay for their care. You don’t know because we have no research to determine the exact number. It is a fact that people will die. The 22,000 people that are estimated to die from lack of coverage each year are greatly increased by two things, REFUSING TO SEE A DOCTOR, and REFUSING TREATMENT BASED ON FEAR OF DEBT! These people are not REFUSED CARE! They CHOOSE not to go into debt over it. Very few are in situations that hospitals refuse treatment based on coverage. No hospital can refuse you care based on your coverage. Anyone who has been to an ER can attest to this. If you don’t want to get into debt to save your life…then it doesn’t matter that much to you. HOWEVER, in Canada and Great Britain it is a FACT that waitlists are growing and there is no solution in sight. How many people die on waiting lists every year? One researcher said it best…
Claims about patients dying because of waiting too long cannot be confirmed or denied from
current research and information. This is a part of the sorry state of wait list information in
Canada and Britain. Even simple statistics such as deaths from different procedures, or deaths of patients on
different lists, are simply not available.
Sounds peachy. At least in our system, we have the capability to tell you someone died.

LIBERAL POINT #2: (in response to who do you blame, since liberals are all about blame) I Blame the GOP leadership & Rush, hannity, beck, Steele, etc. They don’t give a damn about me. And they’re not even trying..

This one made me laugh. Lets review job titles shall we?

Rush Limbaugh:
Radio Talk Show Host on the EIB network.
Elected Official: No
Responsibility to Public: None, although if his listeners who choose to listen to him feel he is not a good host, they can change the channel.

Sean Hannity:
Radio and Television Talk Show Host on Fox News
Elected Official: No
Responsibility to the Public: None, although if his listeners who choose to listen to him feel he is not a good host, they can change the channel.

Glenn Beck:
Radio and Television Talk Show Host on Fox News
Elected Official: No
Responsibility to the Public: None, although if his listeners who choose to listen to him feel he is not a good host, they can change the channel.

Michael Steele:
Chairman of the Republican National Committee
Elected Official: No
Responsibility to the Public: To direct the party towards better leadership, if you are unhappy with his leadership, don’t be a republican.

You don’t feel like Radio and Television talk show hosts and the head of political committee don’t care about you? Um ok. Who cares? I am pretty sure Oprah doesn’t care about me and neither does the leader of the Aryan Nation, but they don’t have to care about me. If people are unhappy, they don’t have to do anything they suggest. If Rush Limbaugh tells me to donate 60000 to charity this year and I don’t…oh well. If Barack Obama passes a law saying I have to donate 60000 to charity this year and I don’t…I go to prison. See the difference? If you blame Rush, Beck, Hannity, and Steele for your problems, thats like me blaming Angelina Jolie for being prettier than I am and its her job to fix it. BARACK OBAMA AND HIS DEMOCRATIC PARTY MEMBERS ARE DUTY BOUND BY THEIR OFFICES TO DO WHAT IS BEST FOR THE COUNTRY! Rush Limbaugh is duty bound to live, pay taxes and die, just like the rest of us. If you don’t like Rush, Hannity or Beck, don’t listen to their shows! If you don’t like Steele, don’t be Republican. If I don’t like Barack Obama, I still have to be American, and he still is the Commander in Chief of my husbands job. We kinda have to do whatever he says without question.

LIBERAL POINT #3: (this one was just out there) I saw the townhalls at ppl who called themselves patriots and all, but no one looked like me. I’ve fought for my community too.

No one looked like you? Can I just pass this one up? What does a patriot look like? Anyone look like Yankee Doodle Dandy with a feather in their cap? Ridiculous.

LIBERAL POINT #4: (two tweets in one point) millions without HC, without all the rhetoric, how do we help them? They need healthcare. All races. This should have happened alrdy. ok, what do you propose? Doing nothing is not an option.

First of all, LOL at me spitting out rhetoric. Ok, stop with race. Really. Seriously. Nothing to do with race. I don’t say it often….BUT SHUT UP! Who said anything about race? Oh yeah, you. Get over it.
Here’s what I propose and listen carefully since I am going to say this only (counts on fingers) well, 16,562,782,101 times already:
Get a job with benefits. If you cannot work, get Medicaid. If you can’t get Medicaid, go to the doctor’s and get in debt. If you get in debt and cannot pay it, declare bankruptcy. If you don’t want to declare bankruptcy, get a job. Lather, Rinse, Repeat.

Now, get out your pencils and paper and take notes on this last part because its the important part ok?
I CAN DO NOTHING.
ITS MY RIGHT NOT TO PAY FOR YOU TO LIVE.
PEOPLE WITHOUT HEALTHCARE CANNOT KEEP DOING NOTHING.
TELL THEM TO DO SOMETHING.
THERE’S YOUR OPTION.

LIBERAL POINT #5: I’m a fan of ppl not dying because they can’t afford to go to the doctor. If that’s “socialism” then guilty as charged.

Finally, FIN-A-#($*&#($*&-LLY. We called them socialist in the beginning and it was like we called them Silly Billy Goo Goo Poopy Heads. We call them socialists now, after Brad Pitt said it was cool, and NOW its yep! Guilty as charged.
I understand you are not a fan of people dying. Neither am I. What you are failing to grasp still is that socialized medicine will kill people. Lets say your 22,000 people estimate is correct. Lets say all of these people per year die based on their checkbooks alone. Its not true, but lets just pretend. Lets put that number in perspective:

Every year:

43,354 people die in car accidents. Thats 21,354 people more than healthcare. Almost twice.

28,663 people die by firearm including gang warfare, criminals killed by police, and self defense. Thats more than healthcare by 6,663.

32,691 people die from poisoning, 72% of those unintentionally. Thats 10,691 more than healthcare.

30,622 people die from suicide. Thats 8,622 more than healthcare.

Suddenly, deaths due to healthcare seem not that large. Funny, here we are acting like people are dropping like flies. (excuse the pun, PETA). If you are not a fan of people dying due to not having healthcare, lets take on more important issues first. Don’t drive in a car, don’t be in a gang, don’t get shot by the cops, don’t get robbed, don’t ingest poison, don’t kill yourself. After you take care of these issues…the ones that really kill people…then we can talk.

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